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Great Friends

According to the article's table, you must achieve Great Friends as part of attaining perfection. For this, you must "reach maximum hearts with every villager". So who is a villager in this case? The Villagers page lists non-giftables, so its objective seems to go beyond the intention here.

The Friendship page identifies friendship boosts to various subgroups. The Luau can confer extra points only for those you have met who actually live in town (not Sandy, Wizard, Krobus, or Dwarf, and not Kent in year 1). No mention of Leo, which poses additional questions.

The Bulletin Board bundles for the Community Center confer boosts only to "non-datable villagers" you have met: impossible for Leo (pre-Ginger Island) but including the above excluded list, who are now "villagers" without actually living in town.

So, the Wiki is not exactly consistent. And where does that leave us in this article? I think it needs to be more explicit. Since it is very likely to take over two years to achieve perfection anyway, I guess it would be reasonable to conclude the idea that we need to be at 10 hearts with Leo. We should say so anyway. And what exactly IS "maximum hearts" with datable villagers? Eight hearts? Or is it ten, and then where does that leave us with regard to social disgracing because of romancing every datable? Finally, is this ten hearts with our spouse, or is it thirteen, or 12.5, as various other game elements set? And what if our spouse is another player in multiplayer?

So, the article needs help, but it's a mixed bag of tangled questions to sort it out. Giles (talk) 23:27, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

So, what if "villager" meant any NPC who lives in Pelican Town, and "valley dweller" meant any NPC who lives in Stardew Valley (including villagers). And then perhaps "non-datable valley dwellers" would need ten hearts and "datable villagers" would need eight. Of course, if that's the way it's supposed to work! Giles (talk) 23:34, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Stardrops

So, you need 7 stardrops to achieve perfection, and one can only be had from your spouse. So, it's not possible to achieve perfection and still be a bachelor? I thought bachelorhood was always a playing option, and it's one I sometimes want to pursue. Doesn't this present a conflict for player choices, or rather, a reduction of options? How about the 6 other stardrops to achieve perfection - just for bachelors, or maybe for everyone? Giles (talk) 23:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

One can divorce after receiving a Stardrop. Or don't marry and have Krobus as a housemate, he gives a Stardrop just as spouses would, and he can be evicted similar how you divorce. Dubesor (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

But divorce destroys friendship and it cannot be regained at a maximum level, so perfection cannot be maintained either. I want bachelorhood, not marriage then divorce. It's not the same. Giles (talk) 05:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

When divorcing the friendship is not "destroyed", you can pay 30,000 in the Dark Shrine of Memory and erase your ex-spouse's memory and it will be like the wedding never happened, and like Dubesor said, you can have Krobus as a housemate instead of getting married. JaksStrange (talk) 10:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks both of you for trying to help. I haven't yet explained my intent in full detail, but it's still not the same. So there's a game workaround, but I have to pay 30000g for it, and I'll need to spend game time on the whole marriage thing that could have been directed elsewhere. Not really my aim. But if I need to go on, so be it.

The point is, I'll remember. You assume roles to play the game, and you choose roles and activities that are fun. Do you want a pet? Yes? No? Pick one. You have a choice, and it raises no significant barriers either way. Farm slimes? Farm fish? Farm anything? You have a choice. You can do these minimally and still complete the collections coverage, then abandon them again. No significant barriers, and the game still has fun things you can imagine doing.

But marriage? What is it fun to imagine there? That really depends on who you are and what you know. I'm married in real life. Who can I imagine being married to, and how fun is that? When you play, you don't leave your own life completely behind. The marriage choice alters life itself, real or imagined. For some people, a divorce is worse than a death. I have heard it described to me in just those words, though I have not experienced it. And I myself hate divorce. I can't imagine it, and I don't want to. That imagining would destroy my playing. No more fun. If I play a marriage, I play it for keeps. If I play bachelorhood, it is a choice I can make. Both may be fun. But the game workaround is no workaround for me. So I have to ask, why can't I complete the game as a bachelor? I don't always want to make a choice to marry. That I can't make that choice strikes me as an avoidable negative in the game.

What say you, CA (if you hear about this)? I don't use reddit. Another personal choice. And I'm willing to walk away from questions or games on that basis. I can imagine that, too. No hard feelings anyone. But my recommendation is not to play too lightly with marriage. It can strike deep. It's supposed to. Giles (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)